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I have a 89 hardbody that i have lift with ac front control arms, torsion bars upgrade, 1.5 shackles and i've had the local spring rearch and add a leaf my springs. I've had these mods for about a 2 years. I have recently have been getting into ingmisc. things for fun with friends. I know IFS kils me in the front end for act. Should i take out the add a leafs out of the back to get more from the rear.


Why can't calmini just come out with the straight conversion for my truck!!!!!!!
 
Posts: 38 | Location: lakeland fl | Registered: June 16, 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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one more thing, For the past year if i engage 4x4 and drive a little while, my camber toes in and my a arms bottom out on the stops. i can stop put in 2 wheel and drive 10- 15 feet and the camber and everything levels out back to normal.
Anyone know Y?????????????
Can i correct this???



Why don't i straight axle it and forget ifs.
all i need is time and money.
 
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Sounds like the steering is loose and needs the upgrade. The add a leafs do hinder the flex of the rear springs, try making the spring packs out of more springs like say, a couple of longer than AAL stock leafs from a yard.
 
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aal? Sorry i'm not up with the actranims yet.

i could use a drop pitman. anyone know of a manufacter
I've modded my steering and it seem fine.sorry i said toe in i mean't that the camber of the wheel from the front are like this /-\ and then will level out |-|. My steering is still correct either way. steering still couldn't be the problem could it.
 
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aal=add-a-leaf
 
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Yeah it sounds like the center link is going. Check it and the idler both.



01 SC CC 4x4, 5 spd. Sand dune with matching snugtop.
 
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how can steering affect your camber. Earlyer i said that it toes in, i did't mean that. I mean't the tires /-\ and then |-| steering stays correct. my arms actually will top out on the stops in result messing my camber all up. SDrive in 2wd a little, it will level out smiley50


thanks for the aal question.
 
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Upper and lower ball joints, and then a alignment.
But something or all things upfront are deff worn out if your camber or toe changes when in 4wd. The drive line is putting pressure on the ball joints when its in 4wd and it will make your already worn parts look and act worse. I'll bet it pulls right/left somewhat aswell.
Any alignment shop will inspect it, and some do it for free.



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What I replaced to limp my truck along for 2 years b4 the SAS:

Steering: Replaced with Calmini (one of the first 5 pre-orders!). Before that I was replacing steering 3 times a year or more, and at $300/replacement it got ridiculous!)

Lower ball joints: Replaced once.

When I started the SAS, my 2 yr old Calmini steering was wearing from age and abuse, but was still 100% better than the stock steering! Most of my front slop came in at the upper and lower ball joints. They were practically non-existent!

A good alignment shop or delaership, will check for any worn or loose parts, and won't even do an alignment until u replace the worn out parts (my local Nissan dealer know me well enough, where if wanted to pay them to "align" my sloppy front end, they'd do it anyway, but it wasn't their policy. They'd show me what's loose, I'd give them the yes or the no on the alignment).

Drop Pitman arms are ONLY used in solid axle suspensions to correct sterring geometry in a lifted suspension. Nissan IFS lifts are only a glorified torsion bar crank. All factory angles stay on the same plane (but at steeper angles). With IFS steering geometry, the tie rod ends (or TRE) need to be parrallel with the Lower A-arm. The upper A-arm pivot, Lower A-arm pivot, and TRE pivot, must all intersect at the same plane as well. The Calmini steering is not only stronger, but also improves this angle from the factory angle, many times not needing a steering stabilzer when installed (if you still want a stabalizer for some reason, then a custom mount needs to be fabbed, as the Calmini Chromoly tubing is much larger than the stock center link). If you're curious on other steering geometry issues, just start a new post. I relay all the information I've read in as much detail as I can remember.




Isaac

1993 Nissan Hardbody 4-cyl 4x4
SAS & dual cases 1/2 complete! (aka Sasquatch)

Too many other mods to list

www.law4x4.com for club info
www.nsw4x4.com
www.zuknation.net

1988 Suzuki Samurai Blue Tin Top (aka Roadkill) Daily Driver, modifications have begun!
 
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I just replaced my upper and lower ball joints last year and have done little off roading since. I've had this issue since then. They were brand new. i finally have hit bottom and posted (sorry i'm new). i Should have ask earlyer.
How can ball joints that are new adjust my camber in 4 and not 2wd. my a-arms are 1 inch (give or take) from the stops normally,
4wd they top out. my spindle isn't rocking, my suspension actually pull down giving more lift throwing off the alignment shops camber adjustment off. Everyone understand i said toe, i didn't mean it. It's the angle of the wheels from looking straight on a wheel.my camber.
i'll replace them again but i'm still having trouble understanding my deliema or explain it.

Either way thanks for the info everyone. Any help appreciated
 
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Where you at? Get a buddy to watch what happens for you while it's in 4x. Can you define "a little while." Maybe put it on stands all the way around and let it idle in gear and 4x, if you can find an assistant.



01 SC CC 4x4, 5 spd. Sand dune with matching snugtop.
 
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drive a 1/4 mile or so. yea if i jack up the front end my a arms top out on the stops. they set my camber off then. Once it settles back down on the suspension the camber and alignment are correct. so if i put it on stands the wheels are going to pull down. I'm tring to find out why it does this when it riding on the t bars. y is it pulling the suspension up in the front end. fl
thanks
 
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When in IFS suspension moves, the tires do not move in a straight up and down motion. They actually move like this: (--),
not like this: I--I.

Tosrions lifts (yes upper A-arm replacement lifts are a torsion lift, the A-arm merely corrects the angles from the torsion lift), wear ball joints and CVs pre-maturely because of the constant angle to which they are subjected.

What you're describing sounds normal. If it feels sloppy, it can mean:

Upper and/or lower ball joints
Steering joints (Tie Rod Ends, Idler Arm, Center Link, or any combo of the above)
Locating bushings (2 on upper arms, 4 on lower A-arms)

Again, a GOOD alignment shop can, and will, find all these loose points, if in fact that is your problem. You can also locate them yourself if u know what to look for.




Isaac

1993 Nissan Hardbody 4-cyl 4x4
SAS & dual cases 1/2 complete! (aka Sasquatch)

Too many other mods to list

www.law4x4.com for club info
www.nsw4x4.com
www.zuknation.net

1988 Suzuki Samurai Blue Tin Top (aka Roadkill) Daily Driver, modifications have begun!
 
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ok thanks guys
 
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