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i own 89 pathfinder.
currently i am running a rancho 3" suspension lift, (coils and a-arms), sway away tbars, and a 3" body lift
As some of you may know from before, i posted about my ride height being crooked, and not being able to fit tires etc....blah blah blah

anyway, i purchased the trailmaster 4 inch suspension lift and what i plan to do is leave the back alone and just add on the front part of the lift. this will level out my ride and make mad clearence for 35s Cool

now i will have steering issues. i already have an AC idler arm brace and a rancho steering stabilizer. will this be enough? will i definately need the L&P centerlink? Should i get ram steering? or do you think my current setup will be enough to turn them?


89 Nissan Pathfinder, 4" trailmaster Suspension lift, 1.5" rear lift coils, Rancho 9000x all round, 3" body lift, sway-away torsion bars, big stereo, rebuilt and transplanted hauss engine and trans. 33x12.50 bfg mud shoes on 15x10 polished aluminum wheels.
makin room for 35s
 
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I'm not gonna say your steering will definantly break........but yeah it's gonna break. Wink

Ram steering wouldn't be a fix at all. In fact, it could actually be worse than stock. The only way to fix it is to get rid of the crappy Nissan CL.


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so if i kept my idler arm brace and stabilizer and added a bullet proof CL from L and P.....
that would do the trick?
i guess that is all i can do without getting calmini's setup for way too many dollars for right now huh?
unless you guys have any other solutions, i will probably do that
thanks

just another question
i was trying to read over trailmaster's instructions for installation before i begin the project, but i got a photo-copied-copy of them and the pictures suck. i was just wondering, i know that the torsion bar connection point is dropped up front with the a-arm, but does the rear of the torsion bar stay in the same place? i can't make it out. that doesn't seem right to me. any comments?


89 Nissan Pathfinder, 4" trailmaster Suspension lift, 1.5" rear lift coils, Rancho 9000x all round, 3" body lift, sway-away torsion bars, big stereo, rebuilt and transplanted hauss engine and trans. 33x12.50 bfg mud shoes on 15x10 polished aluminum wheels.
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As far as I know most of nissans steering sucks, so although getting a CL would definitley help, there would still be weak points in your steering.

I would do what you can to get a Calmini setup.


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With the set-up you're talking about (stacking the 3" UCA lift + TrailMaster 4"), a Idler Arm Brace and Steering Stabilizer (useless) will not help save the steering linkage from failing. You will also probably have to install the TM coil spacers or something with the rear end, unless you like the pre-runner look. I'm not sure about the L&P centerlink (no experience with it)....but the Calmini steering linkage will definately help.

If the rear of your Pathy is in the air with the 3" UCA lift and 3" lift coils in the rear...you need to re-index the torsion bars & adjust to get the correct amount of lift in the front. Sounds to me like the torsion bars weren't re-indexed and adjusted properly....Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

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i tried re-indexing the torsion bars a couple of times to get a level ride height. it is to the point where if i move the adjuster one more spline tighter and draw it up into the frame where it is supposed to be, i bottom out my bumpstops. if i put the adjuster one spline looser and draw it up into the frame, the front sags even worse. right now i have about 3/4" space between my upper bumpstops and a-arms. As of now, i could only clear 33"s up front with some plastic cutting and a high backspacing wheel, where as in the back i am pretty sure i could clear 35" like it is. plus i dont want to increase my drive angle in the front anymore, so i opted for a different lift. it seemed like the right solution to me. sure i could have put some balljoint spacers in, but that is just not right.

also i measured the difference between the front and rear suspension height and if i add the extra 4" in the front it should be pretty close to even. i know it is probably a little to late to be asking because i already bought the lift, but what else could i have done aside from balljoint spacers? oh, and does anyone know about the torsion bars being relocated that i was talking about in the other post/
thanks


89 Nissan Pathfinder, 4" trailmaster Suspension lift, 1.5" rear lift coils, Rancho 9000x all round, 3" body lift, sway-away torsion bars, big stereo, rebuilt and transplanted hauss engine and trans. 33x12.50 bfg mud shoes on 15x10 polished aluminum wheels.
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The entire Tbar is lowered on both ends. It makes it very vulnerable to trail damge as it's no longer protected by the frame rail.



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thanks for the quick response Desert Rat, but that poses a problem..... i think.

when i recieved the box, it was obvious that ups had their way with it as there wasn't much box left. it was trashed. there was quite a large hole in the side and upon opening the box, i noticed the parts were loose inside.
i thought i saw that everything was there but i dont see anything that looks like it would drop the torsion bars in the back and the instructions must have been copied by an ape so i cant figure it out.
just curious, would anyone happen to know what that piece would look like?


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Not sure, but I'd guess it'd be a braket that would be used to lower the entire crossmember



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You can fit 35s without the trail master. Just need an angle grinder, the right wheel offset and some balls Smile.


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Originally posted by orange4ska:
You can fit 35s without the trail master. Just need an angle grinder, the right wheel offset and some balls Smile.


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i tried re-indexing the torsion bars a couple of times to get a level ride height. it is to the point where if i move the adjuster one more spline tighter and draw it up into the frame where it is supposed to be, i bottom out my bumpstops. if i put the adjuster one spline looser and draw it up into the frame, the front sags even worse.


Sounds like you need to reindex from the front tbar seat also.


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how do you reindex the front torsion bar seat?

orange4ska- do you have any close up pics of your rig. i would kind of like to see exactly what you cut, maybe i might try it, but i do not want to go too extreme with the angle grinder Welder


89 Nissan Pathfinder, 4" trailmaster Suspension lift, 1.5" rear lift coils, Rancho 9000x all round, 3" body lift, sway-away torsion bars, big stereo, rebuilt and transplanted hauss engine and trans. 33x12.50 bfg mud shoes on 15x10 polished aluminum wheels.
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Check my web page. I have pics of my truck with the TM 4" lift on it. the front is about the same as the pathy lift. Let me know if you need pics of something else. I'm going on vacation as of friday morning so be quick and I'll snap some pics of what you need. Also search on hereformy post in the CL tread. I think there's more pics there as well. I havethe instructionsin pdf some where around here. I'll look for them and PT you with them.



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InstructionsI took pics but can't find the cable for the digi cam. From what is on the truck there isn't a drawing on the list.
EDIT:
Found the cable.
here's what the bracket realy look like.
If they're too big, Mods, kill the IMG code and leave the link.



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