for the link that Fudd send it, I checked it out, I think it will be very cool!!!

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Originally posted by LordBiotree:
whenever your running a winch you should have a deep cycle battery. If your running a regular starting batt, yes your winch will not only drain the bat really fast it'll also kill the batt.

A elect winch does require a slightly upgraded charging system. I've been running a regular deep cycle/starting batt in my truck for 2 years now. Haven't had any problems yet. However I have had to do any long high stress pulls with the engine off. One day I'll upgrade the alternator.

My Pinz was 24v with two red tops, stock charging system. The winch was Warn 24v. First time I got really really stuck which died and truck was running entire time. I also was letting the winch cool down between uses.

So far I am a fan of PTO and hydrualic because of the electric probs. Some people say PTO's are really slow but mine is throttle controlled and can be pretty damn fast. I have seen fast hydrualic winches too if set up right, meaning not set up like a p/s pump to run it.

The 8274 twin motors though are really sweet looking. If I ever put another electric winch on my truck this is definately the set up I will use.

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Originally posted by pestiki:
As I said before, I will drive this vehicle in Armenia, with very bad conditions & whether, So I have to keep in mind that I will need my engine for long time. My first opinion was changing the engine with SD33 or SD33T diesel engine. (keep in mind that I found this vehicle in Iran with L28 & in this country every thing is very expensive, 4 example I bougth this vehicle 8000 USD & a neww 2008 Patrol in this place will cost more than 90,000 USD- very intresting!!! ).My second choice was MileMarker Hydraulic winch. But then I have changed my choices between these 2: 1- PTO winch with waterproofed ignition system 2-electric winch (Warn, Ramsey or maybe again MileMarker, etc). & for this country I have to keep with me so many spare parts!!! , because if your engine (or any other part got problem, In Armenia you can find nothing (no spare parts). That's why I canged my opinion to electric or PTO winch.

The SD33(T) will require much less maintenance and is fully water proof up to air intake. But if something did happen parts might be hard to get. L28 is a common motor used in other vehicles besides just the Patrol, easier to get parts for? I suppose this depends on the location. Diesel fuel verses petrol is also something to consider. The L28 can be made pretty waterproof but the diesel will always be better for deep water. You must consider the turbo though if fitted....hot turbo suddenly submerged in cold water and you have a broken turbo.

Have you considered a hydraulic winch powered by a PTO box? This is an excellent set up in my opinion for all day winching. Loads of pulling power and it will never get hot especially if set up right (cooler). Front and rear winches can also be set up using one PTO box and one PTO/hydro pump. One thing you should think about with a PTO winch is that the sheer pins on the PTO prop shafts are your desired weak link. Meaning you are supposed to break them before anything else breaks. If you are sunk in 3ft. of mud changing a shear pin could be a real nightmare!

for hydraulic winch with PTO box, I have got one PTO box, but I don't if I can fing PTO hydropump, I have to check this out. Now I'm thinking on PTO or hyrdaulic only, exactly hydraulic, but now I have to check for PTO pump, If I'm able to find such a pump, surely I will use hydraulic winch with PTO pum. The advantage is that there is no effect during winching process on steering, I have seen before on a GQ Patrol with hydraulic winch, wich was using steering hydropump, during winching steering was f***ed up!!!
For theproblem of winching during engine off, I wil buy one 2.5 ton hand winch, plus waterproofing of engine. (I think I will do this for my both Patrols with Z24 & L28 engine...)

I asked a friend to type message instead of me, but he had done so many mistakes!!!!
Let me type them again
For Hydraulic winch with PTO hydro pump, I think it will be cool, only I have to check If i'm able to find proper PTO hydropump. This will cuase no effct on my hydraulic steering.

Hey Fudd, you said that your PTO winch is throttle controlled, what do you mean by it. LEt me know to allow meto check mine (already I have got a PTO box with its lever)

Here is the type of hydraulic winch set up I am talking about...

http://media.putfile.com/Type-R-Hydraulic-Winch

more info...
http://www.4x4winches.com/index.php?page=winch_systems.htm

in my opinion this is the cream of the crop for 4wd winches. If you do some reading you can see the winch can be set up to control speed just like a PTO winch. This is not a cheap option for winch though, I am guessing $3-4k to set up. The duel 8274's are also going to be very expensive.

Not sure why but everytime I mention hydraulic winch people think pos, slow winch that requires a second p/s pump to run. I wouldn't go that route for hydraulic, PTO controlled or nothing!

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Originally posted by pestiki:
Hey Fudd, you said that your PTO winch is throttle controlled, what do you mean by it. LEt me know to allow meto check mine (already I have got a PTO box with its lever)

I mean the PTO gearbox and also the winch is controlled speed wise by how much the engine is rev'ed up. The faster you rev the engine the faster the winch goes and also the more power it has.

thanks Fudd
For 4x4winches, it's MileMarker, I have its prices, for example 12000lbs will cost 1200USD for me (I will buy from Dubai). If I decide to bye hydraulic winch, then I will prepar a small hydraulic pump for PTO box, maybe I will use Bosch or Voith pumps (both are German made pumps). I think 8 l/min flow rate will be enough. Or I will buy PTO winch, but no electric.

Another question, Is it possible for me to install the PTO winch with removeable mounte!? If it's possible, how much it will take time!?!?!?(my need is for maximum 25minutes)

Fud- That’s a crazy fast hydro winch set-up. The reason why most of us shy away from hydro pumps is simple. Most American spec’d cars/truck never received a pto winch set-up. If you’re going with a hydro pump usually your using your power steering pump for hydro power.

Yes you could fab yourself up a mount and add a secondary hydro pump for your winch but simply that a lot of work when you can but a electric winch to do the same thing.

As for the duel 8274's, what about the weight. A 8274 is almost 100lbs by it’s self. Add a second motor and the required gear box. That’s a lot of excessive weight in my opinion.

For what LordBiotree said, MQ Patrol has got PTO box, so no problem for second hydro pump, just couple a smal hydro pump with enough flow rate in low rpms -like 800rpm- then there will be no problem.

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Originally posted by LordBiotree:
Fud- That’s a crazy fast hydro winch set-up. The reason why most of us shy away from hydro pumps is simple. Most American spec’d cars/truck never received a pto winch set-up. If you’re going with a hydro pump usually your using your power steering pump for hydro power.

Yes you could fab yourself up a mount and add a secondary hydro pump for your winch but simply that a lot of work when you can but a electric winch to do the same thing.

As for the duel 8274's, what about the weight. A 8274 is almost 100lbs by it’s self. Add a second motor and the required gear box. That’s a lot of excessive weight in my opinion.

ya it is crazy fast....

These winches are the best of the best. Competition spec and really that is all you would need one for, competing. Unless for some reason you feel the need for the best of the best on your 4wd. We do not have winch comps here in the USA so perhaps this is why electric is the go go in the USA.

For me PTO winch is good. Sure I wouldn't mind a superduper winch but don't really have a need and my truck could use the $$$ in many other places! I am just not a fan of electric at all.

Mostly just trying to show Pestiki that there are many winch options available and that you can go pretty far with each type if you want the best.

as what Fudd said, I will go for hydraulic winch with PTO hydroPump, if money problem, then PTO winch. Now I'm a fan of PTO winch.

Last week we burned an electric winch -8000lbs Ramsey- note that we were waiting for cooling process, but the electric motor burned & then we've got so many problems..........
So ........