I consider anything under class 5 light duty, gimmie UD baby!!!!

VT275.. hmmm

At least its a twin turbo though.

Heres some more info on the VT275:

http://www.dipaco.com/html/info0024.htm

That would make sense though that Nissan is going after that engine, as Ford cancelled its program to use the VT275 in a light duty truck not too long ago.

My brother in law will be bummed out. he Just bought an 04 titan Crew Cab last week and loves it. But he is an INTL fan. He has owned a 78 Scout 2 for 20+ years. Rarely drives it but never wants to sell it. He like diesels also.

Wish I had the driveway space for a scout...

He dont have space. Its out on the street since they bought the boat and RV.

The VT265 would be a very bad move for NIssan

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Originally posted by System-F:
The VT265 would be a very bad move for NIssan

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Care to explain... I've been reading all your posts, and you seem to be down on nearly all International derived engines..

The Specs on the VT275 which I heard on the phone today seemed pretty good, I'd just like to know why you don't like it..

Cliff

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The Specs on the VT275 which I heard on the phone today seemed pretty good, I'd just like to know why you don't like it..

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1 most rednecks are going to see Ford with a V-8 diesel, Dodge with a cummins (which is in the big rigs as far as they know), and Nissan with a V-6 diesel, ...it's plain to see that just the significants of the number of cylinders and or brand is enough for most people, cause we all know that V--8s are ALWAYS more powerful than cars with less cylinders..that's just the way it is!!! DUH

2. it's an overly super duper complicated diesel engine designed it seems more for inter-city transportation than anything else, Heck, the fact that it has twin turbos in a dual stage setup turns me off... although I could be wrong and it could run forever

I am not 'down on all international engines'

the older 9.0 liter after fixing head gasket issues is supposed to be an awesome diesel and it it was non turbo charged

from what I have heard the DT466 is awesome..beautiful, glorious, can be rebuilt in chassis, and rebuild kits are lower than $900 in cost..not to mention it's at least a 1/2 million mile motor (between rebuilds)

I personaly think they should bring back the DT360. This would be right on par with the Dodge cummins, provide an engine that shares some history with the DT466 in it's ease of rebuilding and has an awesome track record save issues with coolant not being clean cauysing cavitation..although this could be resolved much easier than creating a whole new engine.

Nissan won't make it with a diesel V-6 just because it's a V-6 in my opinion, at least not in Texas which is a LARGE portion of the market for this type of truck. People will shun it just for the V-6. If Nissan follows the previous design record for the Titan (american's wants/needs) they won't use this V-6.

I agree about the V6 part. I know racing industry have proven that a V6 can produce more power per cubic inch compared to V8s. People just want bigger and not look at the facts IMO.

Who makes the diesel engines in Patrols, sentras and other vehicles sold worldwide? I thought it was Nissan Diesel. UDs seem to be made by some other company.

OK, I understand what you are saying about the Perceived lack of power of a V6. However, with the Current Price of Diesel Fuel, I would take a more efficient (and even overly complicated) V6 over a V8 anyday, so long as it had the equivalent Torque and HP Numbers. I'd say there are quite a few like me currently.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Dodge CTD (Inline 6 Cylinder), but you need ear plugs just to drive it around town. It's got to be the loudest Engine in that market segment.

I like the Ford PowerStroke, but like everyone has mentioned, there still seems to be quite a few bugs to work out with it.

The Duramax (GM) is a good engine, but just seems to lack power as compared to the PowerStroke or CTD, I sure hope the Nissan does better than this and it should. However, GM was smart enough to put a real tranny (Allison) behind it, that will hold a lot more torque and power than the Duramax will throw at it...

As mentioned before, International is getting around 12mpg out of this engine in a medium duty truck, with some pretty good HP and Torque figures. Therefore, Nissan Should easily be able to make this engine get 20+mpg Daily Driven, with (I'm guessing) 15mpg+/- while towing. Try that with the PowerStroke or CTD. I haven't seen it done yet, and know several Diesel owners..

Just my thoughts..And Like I said, only time will tell exactly how Nissan will configure this engine...

Cliff

Hey Wilbur, when was the last time you were in one of the new CTD's? Or any of the newer diesels for that matter? They are all near silent. I mean, my Z71 is louder with dual exhaust than the newer diesels.
And realistically, if you are complaining about "loud" diesels, maybe you should be driving a Toyota Echo.

I think Nissan seriously fawked up by not calling up Cummins... All you powersmoke guys can chew on this for a while: Dodge puts the ISB in the 250's and 350's. Ford makes it an OPTION only once you get to the 650's and 750's. So that means that the dodge 3/4 ton has the power of Ford's 13 ton truck. Hmm...

If Nissan is gonna make a competitive diesel, it had dam well better put out more than 500 ftlb torque and 200 horse. It needs to be closer to 600/300 if you ask me. And that's not even the most powerful in the class...

If I'm light on the throttle, my 7.3L powerstroke will get 17-18mpg. If I didnt have a 4" lift on my truck, it'd easily get 20mpg. My father's 2002 F350 w/ 7.3L powerstroke regularly gets 21+mpg.

The newer 6.0 Powerstrokes are a lot worse with the fuel economy though. Kinda funny since they are trying to improve emissions standards on the diesel engines.. and they end up burning more fuel in the process.

Personally, I would much rather have an I6 than a V6 or V8.. If my powerstroke dies, its getting a Cummins installed instead. :P

Mikey is right about the new ISB motors. I was next to one running and it was hardly audiable.. the problem is the VP44 injection pumps on them are pieces of crap even with a good lift pump the VP44 can fail...hell it uses the fuel for lube.. BAD MOVE.. Nissan is VERY VERY smart to stay away from the ISB problem..which isn't a cummins problem but a bosch problem.. The medium duty market is eating ISBs like crazy, VP44s failing left and right according to the few fleet maintence techs I have chatted with...of course this is probably exagerated somewhat.

12mpg in a medium duty truck is nothing...
here are reports from school bus owners
8.2 detroit with auto - 12mpg 1989 model
9.0 international 10-12mpg
7.3 IDI N/A 10-12mpg
etc etc etc ...

that's in a bus weighing in at 12000lb to loaded according to their reports. The mileage went up with 5spds.

As far as a real transmission behind diesel..well a real transmission behind any diesel is a manual. Autos just soak the power right out of them compared to manual transmissions. The allison soaks more power out of diesels than any other not to mention the world of problems duramax owners in this area (horse and car haulers in the DFW area) are having up to cratered pistons and broken rods... a bit worse than the fuel and control issues with the VT365.

Not to mention that with a diesel the more power you take out of a smaller block the more likely you to have reliablity issues down the road. This is also true with gasoline engines, but probably doubled with diesels due to the preasures on the engine's internals. You might look at the numbers, but most people do not, especially with a foriegn manufacture trying to enter a domestic dominated market..

Mikey, The Newer CTD's are quieter than the previous models, but in my opinion, not as quiet as a PowerStroke, or even near the Duramax..

System-F, I agree, that the best tranny for towing and torque is a Manual, but at least the Allison does seem to hold up well behind much stronger engines than the Duramax..

As far as the Duramax goes, I think we all agree that they are junk, not much more can be said there...

BTW: What do you do? Admittedly, I don't know a lot about Diesels, and more specifically anything about other variants of engines. Just a curiousoty question...

Datz, Why in Hell would you lift a truck that you tow with.. That's just ridiculous..

Cliff

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Datz, Why in Hell would you lift a truck that you tow with.. That's just ridiculous..

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he bought it that way

I have a computer-crap job. I want a medium duty tow vehicle so I researched the crap out of the drivetrains, especially in school buses since they can be had cheap at surplus auctions. I don't know it all, and a lot of the information is word of mouth..but I have a good idea what will and won't make it in the class 5 diesel truck market since I live in the hotspot for trucks like that.

Ok u guys can any one tell me why Nissan won't use
their own UD engines? i was looking at the specs on udtrucks.com and it seems that they have a 225 hp and 492ft/lbs in-line 6 that they use for their
medium duty trucks.

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Datz, Why in Hell would you lift a truck that you tow with.. That's just ridiculous..

Cliff

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I bought the truck that way.. A lift typically ensures that it hasnt been used to tow 5th wheels with. Its really not that big of a deal with a superduty.

After I got it, I installed a brake controller and tossed a forged steel 10,000lb-rated 6" drop hitch in my Class V reese and it pulls like a dream. Regardless of being lifted 4" (actually its only leveled.. the rear is stock height!), the truck pulls like nothing is behind it. It pulled An1malch1n's pathfinder + a 3000lb trailer (approx 7500lb) up over the mountains in California without breakin a sweat and with the cruise control on.

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Ok u guys can any one tell me why Nissan won't use
their own UD engines? i was looking at the specs on udtrucks.com and it seems that they have a 225 hp and 492ft/lbs in-line 6 that they use for their
medium duty trucks.

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unknown...maybe because it's not a brand known real well in the light duty market. maybe because of emissions on the big straight 6 (it's 6.9L), maybe it won't fit? unknown..

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Originally posted by Reggie Falon:
Ok u guys can any one tell me why Nissan won't use
their own UD engines? i was looking at the specs on udtrucks.com and it seems that they have a 225 hp and 492ft/lbs in-line 6 that they use for their
medium duty trucks.

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Nissan outsources the engines in the UD trucks to Hino.
Compare the engine designations here:
http://www.nissandiesel.com/product/1400.pdf
http://www.nissandiesel.com/product/3300.pdf
To Hino's designations: http://www.hino.com/businessinmotion/story_27.php
J05D-TA and J08E-TA...

They haven't used in-house engines for a few years now.

Brent