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During AZ8 the caR50 had some messed up issue with the engine not running properly after using engine braking down a hill. It acted like the MAF was not plugged in. After killing the engine and restarting the problem never re-occured. No codes.

On the way home the engine fell on its face when trying to get back on the highway nad quickly went back to normal without killing the engine, it did this twice. No Codes.

Today I tried to start it and the caR50 wouldn't run. Exhaust smelt of gasoline. Killed the engine, unplugged the MAF and plugged back in, restarted and it is working fine. No Codes.

I got horrible gas mileage on the highway and I have another R50 that runs perfect (knock on wood) to use as a baseline. Digimoto shows the Infinit (good R50) taking in as much as 75lb/min of air on the MAF and I never saw numbers this high on the caR50. I am going to hook the caR50 up to digimoto and see what the MAF readings are but so far I am thinking flaky MAF. Ideas?
 
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I'm thinking maf or the computer.....


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I have my old MAF if you want to try it out...

Is it throwing any codes? Does it idle normal?
 
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You could swap MAFs between the two trucks, couldn't you?



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I sure could, Andy. I am confused about the problem and it would require a lot of detail to explain it. It is going to take several tanks of gas and some testing to figure out what is really wrong. I am almost begning to think the ECU might be the problem, but I have the old auto ECU which works fine.
 
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The maf will either lean or richen out the system. The maf will not cause the engine to run rough or not at all.

I would change out the ecu. A guy at work has a mustang. Kept having problems with the engine running rough, cutting out and eventually got to the point to where the car would not start.

Turned out there was a ground fried inside the ecu. Changed out ecu and everything is fine.


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The MAF WILL cause the engine to run rough. Unplug yours and start the engine if you don't believe me. Unplugging it when the engine is running will shut the engine down 99% of the time.

There was a problem with the MAF connector on VG30s but it should have been fixed by the time the R50 (and VG33) came around.


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Originally posted by LordBiotree:
The maf will either lean or richen out the system. The maf will not cause the engine to run rough or not at all.

I would change out the ecu. A guy at work has a mustang. Kept having problems with the engine running rough, cutting out and eventually got to the point to where the car would not start.

Turned out there was a ground fried inside the ecu. Changed out ecu and everything is fine.


Yeah...are you kidding? A bad MAF won't cause a car to run rough??????
 
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i once had a crack in teh intake tube... it ran like CRAP! no power, stalled, when it did run it would lurch forward when starting out in 1st gear...was absolute hell.

I'd bet it's the MAF, or a leak in the intake after the MAF or something to do with the intake.


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The maf will either lean or richen out the system. The maf will not cause the engine to run rough or not at all.




Uh, EVERYTHING our computers do is based on input from the MAF. If the information is absent and the computer KNOWS that the MAF is bad there maybe some internal maps the ECU can use to get you by, but if the information is incorrect and the ECU has not thrown a code for the MAF then hwo the engine runs is up to the gawds. My vehicle has thrown no codes for the MAF or any other required sensors.
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Mass Flow
By contrast, Mass Air Flow (MAF) systems use a sensor mounted in front of the throttle body that directly measures the amount of air inducted into the engine. The most common type of mass-flow sensor is the hot wire design: Air flows past a heated wire that’s part of a circuit that measures electrical current. Current flowing through the wire heats it to a temperature that is always held above the inlet air temperature by a fixed amount. Air flowing across the wire draws away some of the heat, so an increase in current flow is required to maintain its fixed temperature. The amount of current needed to heat the wire is proportional to the mass of air flowing across the wire. The mass-air meter also includes a temperature sensor that provides a correction for intake air temperature so the output signal is not affected by it.

The MAF sensor’s circuitry converts the current reading into a voltage signal for the computer, which in turn equates the voltage value to mass flow. Typical MAF systems also use additional sensors similar to those found in Speed Density systems. Once the electronic control module (ECM) knows the amount of air entering the engine, it looks at these other sensors to determine the engine’s current state of operation (idle, acceleration, cruise, deceleration, operating temperature, and so on), then refers to an electronic map to find the appropriate air/fuel ratio and select the fuel-injector pulse width required to match the input signals.

GM used MAF sensors on the turbo Buick V-6 Grand National, ’85-’89 TPI, ’94-’98 LT1, ’96 LT4, and all LS1 engines. Ford has used MAF metering on ’88 California 5.0L engines and all ’89-and-later V-8 engines.

MAF systems are much more flexible in their ability to compensate for engine changes since they actually measure airflow instead of computing it based on preprogrammed assumptions. They are self-compensating for most reasonable upgrades, as well as extremely accurate under low-speed, part-throttle operation. On the other hand, the MAF meter, mounted as it is ahead of the throttle-body, can become an airflow restriction on high-horsepower engines. On nonstock engine retrofits or EFI conversions on engines never produced with fuel injection, it may be hard to package an MAF meter within the confines of the engine bay and available intake manifolding.


Source: http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/electronic_fuel_injection/index.html
 
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The MIL bulb isn't burned out, right? Wink

The wiring fix on my MAF craps out almost every summer when it's hot. Same symptoms, no codes. It's a sensitive bastage.

There was an intake leak that caused weird problems (similar to these) for a while. I kept getting an O2 sensor code lol


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No, MIL is good, engine SEEMS to run just fine except for that weird starting problem and sometimes it falls on its face when accelerating. I am going to put some known good O2 sensors in and swap mafs with the Q
 
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So I put the caR50's MAF in the Q, which is just a 99 R50 and today when the engine got nice and warm the Q did exactly what the caR50 did on the AZ run. When decelerating using engine braking (had the Q's auto locked in 3rd) the Q started sputtering and died just like the caR50. The only difference? the MAF... this is a very strange failure for a MAF and only seems to happen when it gets hot, but it is a start and could explain bad mileage.
 
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At least you isolated the problem.



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to follow up on our conversation from yesterday.
AutoZone sells one for $132.00 with core exchange. I know you said you'd rather get one from a junkyard for that price, but this way you can get a remand one with a warranty, that's a better way to go then hoping you get a good clean one from a junkyard for the same price. Brand new you'll want to get it from ABC Nissan.


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