Last updated in 1981????? I don't see a bypass, I don't see the loop we did either....

I bought it anyway, if anyone wants to see it, maybe you can find something on it, I'll keep it at my office

Wow - can't believe they haven't updated it since 1981.



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If it comes back, it will always be yours.
If it doesn't come back, it was never yours to begin with.

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You either married it or gave birth to it !!

yeah, many of the topos are pretty old.. I have seen some that date from the 1950s for some of the more remote regions of Arizona. I have *ALL* the topos for Arizona here at home though.

Well, find us a by-pass for Hackberry then cuz I can't see one on here. I'd love to hunt for one though.

John do you have the GPS coords for that hill?

I have that whole trail mapped out.. but I didnt specifically mark that hill. If i have some time later, I'll see if I can dig up some more info.

Okay the rush of the Holidays is over. I was looking at my maps.

I think we ran that upper route backwards from what Az Backroads says. Anyway in the book, where the "faint road" is the Tonto map calls it FR 315 and it shows it going all the way down to 177 just on the other side of Apache Leap.

I plan on being locked in at least the rear by then and want another chance at that hill, but this may be a by pass for open diffs.....

bump

We won't know for sure unless we go out again and play.


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Ya know that's what I was thinking. hopefully that locker will be installed before the playoffs are over.

Stone.. I've heard of that road that runs down to 177. My old roommate knew about it. He heard about it from a guy he knew. Thats the road we were trying to find when we ended up camping up on that camp site I took you guys up to.

I dont know of any people that have run it though, so I dont know how passable it is. If it goes up and over near Apache leap, i bet it would be very interesting.

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Heres the area topo map from Topozone:

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=33.263&lon=-111.0635&s=50&size=l&symshow=n&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25

FR315 should be on or mabye a little south of this map

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Heres the Hackberry creek trail system.. you can see it here:

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3682011&e=496419&s=50&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25

The dotted line in the middle, you can see the series of switchbacks that we went up to head back.

here it is zoomed in:

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3682011.00007883&e=496419&datum=nad83

The trail may not be shown on that topo map.. Looking at it here, I dont see the Hackberry Creek trail, but powerline is shown pretty good.

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If you go east of Devils Canyon, there look to be some interesting looking trails in an area I've never been before..

Some of them run in a canyon near Tamale Peak and pass by the Monitor Mine. The trails look like they are accessed by another trail/road that runs through Mineral Creek.

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3676504&e=504424&s=50&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25

Very rugged terrain!

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=33.2481&lon=-110.9525&s=50&size=l&symshow=n&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25

That whole trail network is accessed off the 60 further east of Superior..

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3690566.00007942&e=501800.000000001&datum=nad83

and

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=33.3543&lon=-110.9479&s=50&size=l&symshow=n&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25
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Here's something I found from the azvjc group on this trail.

We went down 177 just past Superior make sure you keep your eye out for a rusty gate because it's easy to pass. I used the GPS co-ordinates from nick's trip. Worked great. One person has to open the gate and let everyone. We all aired down and off we went. The forest road 315 climbs up a hill and drops into a valley where it joins the real powerline trail. I.M.H.O. I think that this new forest road should be added to the trail. Makes for some added fun. When you get to the bottom of the forest road it forks left or right.

And, one more:
So, we headed back to Superior and south on 177 to Forest Road 315 ( N 33(degrees)13'31.5 W 111(deg.)04'37.4 ), which unless you had these co-ordinates you would never guess was the way in...Turns out that this is one kick butt Forest road! It runs about 3/4 a mile on level rocky road but once it hits the Apache Leap cliffs it switchbacks to the top. This is NO normal switchbacks! This thing was very loose baseball sized rocks with staircases and boulders thrown around all over! A truely challenging mini-run all in itself. Mike with shear talented driving managed his nearly stock TJ to the top with some skid plate banging and Scott in his Scout with a wacked out carborator actually had to run the hill in reverse! His Scout was damn cheap and like a tank so through out the trip if Scott wanted to get somewhere the gas pedel was the way to do it! The carb kept running to rich on hills so most climbs were done in reverse! We eventually crested the switch backs and thank goodness looking down into the valley in front of us was the Powerline trail we had come to run. The trail itself has gotten a bit harder than last time I ran it. The whole trail was following a pattern of 500 feet of very slow going rock crawling, and 500 feet of nerve gathering smooth land, then back to the 500 feet of rock crawling, over and over. The rock crawling portions were very ruff. Picking the right line was crucial. Both Mike and I took some good numerous underside hits from some large boulders. Lyle didn't have any problems and Scott, well, just gassed it! Again, kudos to Mike for dragging his TJ over many spots! This trail is probably non passable to a stock Jeep without skid platting. The descents and hill climbs always came at the 500 feet of rockcrawling portions, which made them very challenging. We eventually came upon the optional 4.0 spot and decided to skip it. There was some obvious rock stacking there, but even so, it is a very nasty spot. This trail runs through some beutifull hillsides filled with hoodoos. We exited the way we came in, which, by the way has a wonderfull view of the surounding hills and valley from the top. By the time we hit Hwy 177 it was around 430 and we decided to meet up in Superior for the airing up. It was an overall wonderfull day with some increadible challenging rock crawling among beutifull views. This should be a trail experienced by everyone! I havent heard of any AZ-VJC trail runs here in a very long time. This would be a great change from the usuall Box Canyon, Coke ovens runs.

Hope that helps



If you love something set it free.
If it comes back, it will always be yours.
If it doesn't come back, it was never yours to begin with.

But, if it just sits in your living room, messes up your stuff, eats your food, uses your telephone, takes your money and doesn't appear to realize that you had set it free.....
You either married it or gave birth to it !!

Yah, yah thats da one yah.